COMO SER HUMILDE E OBEDIENTE A CRISTO - Carlito Paes e Douglas Gonçalves Jesuscopy

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22 Apr 202310:33

Summary

TLDRThe speaker reflects on the importance of humility and obedience in spiritual leadership, drawing from personal experiences and biblical references. He emphasizes the transformative power of love and the Holy Spirit in breaking down barriers, as illustrated by his father's story in the Assembly of God. The narrative includes the parable of Peter and the fishing net, highlighting the significance of following divine guidance. The speaker advocates for a church that upholds biblical doctrine and fosters genuine relationships, cautioning against pride and the pitfalls of promotional spirituality.

Takeaways

  • 😀 The speaker emphasizes the importance of being a good example, referencing Mark Twain and the speaker's father's experience in the Assembleia de Deus (Assembly of God).
  • 🏆 The father's initial apprehension with the different worship styles in the church was overcome by recognizing the love for Jesus and the Holy Spirit in the people he met.
  • 🕊️ The story of Jesus calling Peter to fish on the other side of the boat is used to illustrate the journey of humility and learning to listen to God's guidance.
  • 🐟 The significance of the boat found in the Sea of Galilee, which is believed to be from the first century and possibly the boat Jesus used, symbolizes the importance of obedience in fishing for men.
  • 🛑 The speaker warns against the dangers of pride, which can lead to a disconnect with the foundational teachings of Christianity and the humility that should be present in leadership.
  • 💬 The necessity of a church to be biblically sound and to avoid motivational preaching that lacks the essence of the Gospel is highlighted.
  • 🔑 The speaker asserts that the model for a pastor should be Jesus, emphasizing forgiveness and the second mile concept, which is about going beyond what is expected.
  • 🤝 The importance of treating people well, especially those who serve in the church, is stressed, as poor treatment can detract from the church's mission and unity.
  • 🌐 The speaker discusses the commonality of human nature and sin, suggesting that pastors should not be prideful or consider themselves superior due to their position or nationality.
  • 📚 The potential negative impact of excessive exposure to success and popularity in the church is mentioned, cautioning against the pride that can come with such attention.
  • 🚫 The speaker calls for humility and simplicity, rejecting the idea of hiring based on performance and firing due to pride, as it can be detrimental to the church community.

Q & A

  • What is the main theme of the script related to the speaker's father?

    -The main theme is the transformation of the speaker's father's perspective from a strict religious upbringing to understanding and embracing different expressions of faith, as exemplified by his experience at a church where rap music was being performed.

  • What does the speaker mean by 'breaking the table'?

    -The phrase 'breaking the table' is a metaphor for overcoming preconceived notions and biases, as the speaker's father did when he saw the love for Jesus in the eyes of people at a dinner, despite their different worship style.

  • What biblical reference is made about Peter and Jesus?

    -The script refers to the story of Jesus telling Peter to cast his net on the other side of the boat, which resulted in a large catch of fish. This story is used to illustrate the importance of obedience and humility in following Jesus' guidance.

  • Why is the boat in the Sea of Galilee significant?

    -The boat is significant because it represents the historical context of Jesus' ministry and the miracle of the large catch of fish. It is a symbol of obedience leading to a miraculous outcome.

  • What does the speaker suggest is the key to a successful church?

    -The speaker suggests that a successful church is one that is biblically grounded, preaches the Gospel, and does not focus on motivational or entertainment-based messages that may have a limited shelf life.

  • What is the speaker's view on the role of a pastor?

    -The speaker believes that a pastor should model Jesus, focusing on forgiveness, humility, and treating people with love and respect, rather than adopting世俗models of leadership from other professions.

  • What issue does the speaker identify as a major problem among pastors?

    -The speaker identifies pride as a major problem among pastors, which can lead to a disconnect with the congregation and a focus on self-importance rather than service to others.

  • Why is humility important in leadership according to the speaker?

    -Humility is important in leadership because it allows leaders to connect with people on a deeper level, to serve others without arrogance, and to create an environment where people feel valued and respected.

  • What is the speaker's opinion on the role of volunteers in the church?

    -The speaker values volunteers highly, emphasizing that they should be treated with love and respect, as they are essential to the functioning and spirit of the church.

  • What does the speaker suggest is the consequence of treating volunteers poorly?

    -The speaker suggests that treating volunteers poorly can demotivate them and harm the church community, as it goes against the principles of love and service that should be central to Christian values.

  • What is the speaker's perspective on learning from others, regardless of their faith?

    -The speaker believes in the value of learning from everyone, regardless of their faith, as there are universal human experiences and lessons that can be gleaned from all people, not just those who share the same beliefs.

Outlines

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😀 Embracing Diversity and Spiritual Growth

The speaker reflects on their father's journey from a conservative religious background to embracing a more inclusive approach to ministry. Initially, their father was apprehensive about different worship styles, such as rap music in a church setting. However, through personal interactions and observing the love and spirit of the people, he began to break down his preconceived notions. The speaker also discusses the importance of humility and obedience in following Christ, as illustrated by the story of Peter and his fishing experience. The narrative emphasizes the transformative power of love, humility, and obedience in spiritual growth and the need for churches to be biblically grounded and avoid promotional messages that may lose relevance over time.

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😔 The Challenge of Pastoral Leadership and Humility

The speaker discusses the challenges faced by pastors, emphasizing the importance of humility and the need to model oneself after Jesus. They mention the pitfalls of pride and the negative impact it can have on the church community. The speaker also addresses the importance of treating volunteers with respect and the consequences of mistreating them, which can lead to the disintegration of the church's unity. They share personal experiences and observations from their interactions with American pastors, highlighting the universal human condition and the need for humility and simplicity in leadership. The speaker stresses the importance of recognizing the model of Jesus in all aspects of pastoral work and the dangers of letting pride interfere with the mission of the church.

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😠 The Impact of Pride on Pastoral Relationships

This paragraph delves into the negative effects of pride within pastoral relationships. The speaker expresses concern over pastors who may act with arrogance, treating their team poorly and creating a toxic environment. They stress the importance of hiring individuals who embody humility and simplicity, as opposed to those driven by performance and pride. The speaker also discusses the importance of recognizing the human aspect of pastors and the need to avoid treating them as infallible leaders. They emphasize the need for pastors to be aware of their behavior and its impact on their team and the church community, advocating for a culture of respect and humility in leadership.

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Keywords

💡Assembleia de Deus

Assembleia de Deus is Portuguese for 'Assembly of God,' referring to a Pentecostal Christian denomination. In the script, it is mentioned as the religious background of the speaker's father, indicating a conservative and traditional approach to worship and church practices. The father's experience in the Assembleia de Deus is contrasted with the more liberal and diverse expressions of faith he encounters later in life.

💡ministry

Ministry in this context refers to the service of spreading religious teachings, often associated with preaching or pastoral work. The script describes the father's ministry journey, where he initially feels out of place in a setting with rap music but later connects with people over a shared love for Jesus Christ, illustrating the transformative power of ministry.

💡theology

Theology is the study of religious faith, practice, and experience. The speaker mentions not analyzing theology but focusing on style, suggesting a shift from strict doctrinal discussions to a more personal and experiential understanding of faith. This is evident when the father at the dinner table sees the love for Jesus in the eyes of others, which breaks his preconceived notions.

💡humility

Humility is the quality of being modest and respectful, not thinking more highly of oneself than is due. The script discusses the journey of learning humility through obedience and recognizing the teachings of Christ, as seen in the story of Peter being instructed to cast his net on the other side of the boat, symbolizing a willingness to follow guidance despite personal doubts.

💡obedience

Obedience is the act of following orders, commands, or requests willingly. In the context of the script, obedience is highlighted as the key differentiator in the story of the fisherman who catches fish after following Jesus' instruction, emphasizing the importance of following divine guidance in achieving success.

💡Biblical

Biblical refers to something that is in accordance with or derived from the Bible. The speaker emphasizes the importance of a church being Biblical in its teachings and practices, contrasting it with motivational or entertainment-based faith experiences that may not have a lasting impact.

💡Pastor

A Pastor is a religious leader, especially in a Christian church, who has the responsibility of guiding a congregation. The script discusses the role of a Pastor, with the speaker identifying as one and emphasizing the need to model oneself after Jesus Christ, focusing on forgiveness and humility.

💡volunteerism

Volunteerism is the act of willingly giving one's time and effort for the service of others without financial gain. The speaker values volunteerism in the church, recognizing the importance of those who serve without expecting anything in return, and contrasts it with attitudes of entitlement or disrespect.

💡orgulho

Orgulho is Portuguese for 'pride.' The script warns against the dangers of pride in leadership, suggesting that pride can lead to isolation and a lack of cooperation. The speaker seeks to avoid pride by modeling humility after Jesus and by recognizing the inherent value in all people.

💡human nature

Human nature refers to the fundamental characteristics and tendencies that are typically attributed to humans as a species. The script touches on the universality of human nature, emphasizing that regardless of cultural or social differences, all people share common experiences and struggles, particularly in relation to sin and the need for redemption.

💡Evangelical

Evangelical refers to a branch of Protestant Christianity that emphasizes personal faith in Jesus Christ, the authority of the Bible, and the importance of evangelism or spreading the Christian message. The script mentions the speaker's experience with American evangelical pastors, highlighting commonalities and differences in approach and belief.

Highlights

The importance of fathers as examples, referencing Mark Twain's perspective on worrying about what others know rather than what they don't.

The father's upbringing in the Assembly of God and the impact of his experiences on his beliefs and openness to different worship styles.

An incident where the father was initially intimidated by a rap singing congregation but later found common ground during a meal, emphasizing the power of relationship and understanding.

The transformative experience of recognizing the love of a person for Jesus and the Holy Spirit, leading to a breaking down of personal barriers.

A discussion on the importance of obedience and its role in the success of fishing for people, drawing a parallel to the biblical story of Peter and Jesus.

The significance of the boat found in the Sea of Galilee as a symbol of protection and a reminder of the importance of following Jesus' guidance.

The necessity of identifying and joining a healthy church with sound biblical doctrine, as opposed to one that is promotional or motivational.

The role of a pastor as a model of Jesus, emphasizing the importance of forgiveness and humility in leadership.

The importance of treating volunteers with respect and valuing their service within the church community.

The potential negative impact of pride on church leadership and the pastoral role in maintaining humility and simplicity.

The recognition of the universal human condition, affected by sin, and the importance of not being prideful in one's nationality or status.

The insight gained from interacting with American pastors about common challenges, such as pride, faced by pastors regardless of cultural backgrounds.

The observation of the impact of excessive exposure to promotional materials and the potential for it to lead to forgetfulness of the true model, Jesus.

The emphasis on humility as a key quality in church leadership, contrasting it with the negative effects of pride.

The discussion on the importance of recognizing and learning from the behaviors and attitudes that go beyond the pulpit in church leadership.

The call for pastors to critically assess their own attitudes and actions, ensuring they align with the teachings of humility and service.

The reflection on the importance of maintaining a human perspective in leadership, acknowledging the commonality of the human condition and the impact of sin.

Transcripts

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E aí de novo seu pai é um exemplo para

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nós sobre isso às vezes como diz Mark

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Twain eu não tô preocupado com o que

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você não sabe eu tô preocupado com que

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você sabe nunca tive meu pai cresceu na

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Assembleia de Deus então é claro que ele

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tinha assim seu pé atrás com algumas

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coisas e aí quando ele gozou a mensagem

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de família começaram a convidar ele em

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todos os lugares e aí ele disse o

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seguinte que ele foi por exemplo

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ministrar em um lugar e chegando lá sei

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lá tinha um pessoal cantando rap E para

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isso Assembleia de Deus disseram algo

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muito fechado né tal não e aí ele ficou

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meio assustado com aquilo e tal mas aí

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acaba o culto ele vai sentar para jantar

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com essas pessoas e ele falando como a

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mesa quebra tudo isso porque de repente

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a mesa Eu Não Tô analisando teologia não

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Tô analisando estilo e eu tô sentado de

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frente vendo olhando no olho E aí eu

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começo a ver o Amor daquela pessoa por

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Jesus o espírito santo naquela pessoa

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ele falou que isso começou a quebrar ele

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falou cara isso aqui que eu tô de longe

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na plataforma discordando com 60 meses

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eu falei ele serve o mesmo senhor que eu

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ele tem o mesmo espírito que eu e aí

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isso foi começando a quebrar então a

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mesa era muito poderosa né para isso

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relacionamento você não pode esquecer

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hoje cedo né É provavelmente você saia

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depois desse com um amigo Mateus e ele

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falou de um texto que eu nunca tinha

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reparado quando Jesus chama Pedro né ele

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Tá pescando não pegou nada e aí Jesus

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fala joga a rede do outro lado e aí eles

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assim né porque és tu tá falando eu vou

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jogar então provavelmente ele ia ter

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ouvido Jesus pregando ele viu os

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milagres ele viu é um cara é um homem

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poderoso no Senhor e tal como é você que

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tá falando eu vou jogar aí quando

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aparece a cena de novo no final Jesus

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ressuscita né Pedro tá Decepcionado pelo

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negou ele provavelmente meio que tá

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querendo voltar a pescar ali tal ele tá

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lá pescando Eles não pegam nada de novo

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e Jesus aparece lá de novo e fala joga a

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rede do outro lado só que ele não tinha

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reconhecido que era Jesus e ele joga E

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aí ele falando sobre essa jornada com

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Cristo aonde você vai sendo humilhado e

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aprendendo a humildade e aprendendo a

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ouvir

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a todos eu não sabia quem era que tava

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lá e ele deu ouvido Não é mais quem que

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é você para eu jogar essa rede Então

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essa é uma marca tão importante porque

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ela é assim é uma marca de Proteção Para

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todo o resto né quando você vai a Israel

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no norte do mar da Galileia tem um museu

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do barco lá então pode não ser eu não

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sei quando eu vou lá eu digo o seguinte

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Gente esse barco aqui pode não ser mas

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ninguém pode dizer que ele não é

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porque esse barco foi achado realmente

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no século primeiro tratado não por

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cristãos por arqueólogos judeus número 2

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ele era um barco de pessoas pobres

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porque ele tem vários tipos diferentes

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madeira então não era barco de gente

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rica era de pescadores que teve que

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remendando o barco porque é um monte de

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tipo de madeira diferente então você

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olha ali que aquele barco ele tem no

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máximo no máximo na barriga dele mesmo

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ele tem três metros de diâmetro então

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nós sabemos que um cardume que tá

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passando ali embaixo

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direita e esquerda

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a diferença nenhuma o mar é o mesmo a

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distância não é um navio que você vai

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jogar de um lado de cá Do outro e que

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vai fazer uma grande diferença

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o ambiente era o mesmo a rede era a

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mesma os pescadores eram mesmo a única

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coisa que difere é uma palavra de

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orientação e o outro a resposta de não

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fazer o oposto então

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a única chave diferenciada ali é

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obediência Então se a gente andar

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sozinho a gente com certeza vai ser a

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próxima vítima não identifica essa

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igreja saudável com doutrina ruim então

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a primeira coisa Douglas uma igreja que

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prevalece tem que ser bíblica você tem

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que saber se a sua igreja é saudável se

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você tá pregando simplesmente o

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Evangelho é motivacional uma igreja

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supermercado da fé onde a pessoa vem

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para buscar a última notícia de poder

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uma mensagem Coach só fazendo coisas

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para entreter o povo com entretenimento

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gospel essa igreja não vai prevalecer

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ela tem prazo de validade Porque tudo

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que é promocional vai ter prazo de

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validade eu não preciso que o cara seja

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crente para que eu aprenda com eles isso

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não existe não é por aí Graça comum nos

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deixa aprender com todos OK mas em

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matéria de modelo de liderança Eu não eu

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eu escolhi ser Pastor eu não sou um

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profissional não sou um banqueiro que o

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modelo não precisa ser Jesus eu não sou

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um Construtor eu não sou um técnico de

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um determinado tipo de esporte eu sou

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pastor eu escolhi ser Pastor então eu

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não posso usar o título de pastor eu não

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posso usar a igreja eu tenho que assumir

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que o meu modelo é Jesus Esse é o meu

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modelo é Jesus é perdoar 70 vezes 7

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a segunda milha é da segunda fase é

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entender que eu preciso andar com 12 é

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entender que eu vou ter que tratar

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pessoas né na base da Bacia da toalha

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a gente acha que é poderosa é muito

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poderoso é simples e não podemos deixar

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eu já tive pessoas infelizmente isso

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assim a gente fala que Douglas

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impressionante tem pastores que acham

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que não tem que abordar isso no nosso

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meio uma autocrítica entre nós pastores

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a minha equipe sabe quando o camarada

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muito bom vem nas seis só vem uma vez

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aconteceu alguma coisa debaixo do que a

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gente viu comportamentos ações e

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atitudes que excede o púlpito tem

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gente reclamando da comida da água do

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tipo da Picanha entende e Parece

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brincadeira Douglas mas isso desfazendo

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as pessoas igreja Pelo menos é assim na

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minha igreja o voluntariado para nós é

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um valor e as pessoas que vem nos servir

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elas amam o serviço se você destratar

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alguém que vem servir numa sala de

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recepção no backstage para mim acabou e

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não tem como né não tem espaço com o

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nosso Cristo né não tem espaço com o

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apóstolo Paulo com ver não é quem tá

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lendo a bíblia não há espaço para isso

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porque

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um americano falando assim que ele teve

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que comprar um um uma passagem de última

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hora tal e aí sentou no meio né maioria

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dos Americanos do grandão né apertado

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tal assim e veio nele de reclamar e de

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repente ele para ele fala tô indo de

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avião

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eu tô indo pegar de avião os caras

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naufragaram os caras de cavalo de a pé

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porque a gente fica pensando quando a

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gente vê esses comportamentos Douglas

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Quem foi o professor dessa matéria

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porque no Evangelho não foi entende o

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que que é

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inegociável para você assim em um líder

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quais são alguns pontos

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eu levei ano passado

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é os Estados Unidos fiz um grupo com 50

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pastores de igrejas todos eles com a

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igreja mais de mil membros a maioria

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da rede inspire E também o Pastor

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Marciano tem de estar comigo que levamos

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um grupo também do Conselho de do núcleo

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de Pastores de Curitiba

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e naqueles dias Nós visitamos em três

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estados 11 igrejas

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e eu comecei a conversar muito com

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Pastores americanos e continuei esse

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diálogo intencionalmente sempre quando

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encontro um pastor é que eu tenho a

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oportunidade de conversar

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me colocando no mesmo nível sei que

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muito antes de questões étnicas e

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questões

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sociais nós temos uma questão do ser

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humano do pecado todos nós fomos

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atingidos pela queda e desfigurados do

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plano original de Deus então eu sei

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disso então para mim eu não me fico

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nessa Euforia de que eu sou brasileiro

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sou melhor do que os outros e etc quem

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tá num país pobre é melhor é pior ou não

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rico melhor não o ser humano é ser

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humano pessoas são pessoas eu tenho até

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uma máxima que os Aconteça o que

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acontecer Douglas pessoas vão te deixar

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porque pessoas são pessoas mas eu

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perguntei E por incrível que pareça três

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pastores americanos não brasileiros

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americanos americanos que não falam

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português qual é o problema maior do

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Pastor Americano três deles me

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responderam por orgulho

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e aí olhando aqui para o nosso Arraial

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eu tenho visto que infelizmente esse tem

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sido um problema que tá afetando muito

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Pessoal talvez por esse essa exposição

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excessiva que estamos tendo camarada

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escreve um livro daqui a pouco ele tá

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vendendo 10 mil sobre o tempo da antiga

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joep que quando qualquer livro chegava a

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3 mil cópias era bem sério não é então

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agora você vem de 50 mil livros 100 mil

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livros Você tem os

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assinantes tem as pregações as viagens

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enfim eu não sei se isso tá fazendo com

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que o nosso

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nossa mente está viajando um pouquinho e

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tem muita gente

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esquecendo que o nosso modelo é bacia

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atual então a pergunta que você me fez

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ao inverso a primeira coisa que eu olho

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é se o cara é gente Ok se o cara é da

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Bacia da tua área

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seria humildade é humildade simplicidade

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porque eu não quero contratar pela

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performance e demitir pelo orgulho

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porque isso hoje ninguém aguenta

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trabalhar com gente orgulhosa ninguém

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aguenta trabalhar com um cara que me

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trata bem por o seu líder da equipe

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trata mal a minha equipe é horrível é

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horrível

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